No answer for 2020, but correct for 2024. This is the free version.

Edit: I'm not the only one seeing this: https://bsky.app/profile/sternbergh.bsky.social/post/3mywvhamkd22t

I’ve been a vocal advocate for Gemini for a long time. When people around me were hyping up other tools, I told my team and my investors: "Gemini is the best, ChatGPT sucks. The massive context window, the ecosystem, big limits, media generation, presentations..."

Last week, right after the Argon rollout, I convinced my investor to drop money on a full annual Pro subscription so we could scale our work smoothly.

They bought it. They logged in, started a workflow, and within three messages, they hit the 5 hour hard limit wall.

I just stood there. I looked like a complete idiot.

How are we supposed to justify paying for a top-tier Pro plan when a basic prompt loop or a couple of lightweight Flash requests in Tasks/custom flows instantly incinerates 20% to 30% of your usage limit? I’m not even talking about heavy media generation just trying to do normal, daily developer and business work.

The absolute irony is that while competitors are figuring out how to give users stable access, Google’s current routing and aggressive rate limiting are actively punishing the people who actually paid for the service. You roll out new models, you preach about productivity, and then you choke your paying subscribers so hard that they can't even finish a basic task block.

I really don’t want to migrate my entire pipeline over to Claude or OpenAI. Rebuilding workflows takes days we don't have. But when the tool you vouch for turns into a lottery where a few standard queries burn your whole daily budget, you're leaving us no choice.

Fix your routing, fix your quota calculation, and stop treating Pro users like beta testers who should be grateful for an error message. What is going on over there?

What could cause this?

Saw a funny caricature but wanted to change something in it, but forgot to upload the image for Gemini to send me a photo of a printer. Then it admitted it belonged to another user.

I was confused about the difference between Argon and Carbon so I asked Gemini to explain it to me.

Gemini 4 Argon and Gemini 4 Carbon are both frontier models in Google’s Gemini 4 family. Carbon is a rapid checkpoint iteration built directly on top of the Argon architecture, designed to push capabilities further in long-horizon reasoning and specialized cyberdefense.
The primary differences between the two models include:

• Cybersecurity & Secure Coding:
• Argon: Capable of autonomous vulnerability analysis and codebase refactoring.
• Carbon: Delivers a massive leap specifically in end-to-end security workflows. It achieves a >2x improvement over Argon in generating secure code, scoring 88.2% on SEC-bench Pro for uncovering real-world vulnerabilities and 71.0% on CWE-bench for automated patch generation.
• Benchmark Performance & Reasoning Depth:
• Argon: Google’s initial Gemini 4 frontier release, designed for deep multi-step workflows, spatial reasoning, and complex engineering, reaching #1 on the Vals Index across economic/industry benchmarks at its debut.
• Carbon: Refines long-horizon problem solving even further, edging out competitor frontier models (such as Claude Opus 5.5 and GPT-6 Astra) across most head-to-head evaluations and taking the top spot on the Artificial Analysis Intelligence Index v5.0.
• Rollout & Availability:
• Argon: Broadly available to developers and enterprises via the Gemini API, Google AI Studio, Google Antigravity, and Gemini Ultra/Pro tiers.
• Carbon: Undergoing a gated rollout. Because of its advanced cyber capabilities, initial access is restricted to select cyber defenders and partners through Google's Fairwind Program to validate frontier safeguards before general public release.

So I paid for AI pro the subscription said that I would get access to Argon in the antigravity cli but now when I try to use it it says I can't. Google is running a straight up scam. So how do I get my money back? Or can i somehow make it work? Any help would be appreciated. Google is such a navigable eco-system, unbelievable.

I heard there is a way, that you gonna get 3 free month how to get it?, I want it in aistudio, is it true? and how to do it, guide me guys, argon in app is so shit that forget in long context and only have 5 messages, at least in studio won't forget

This has happened with me so many times. Whenever I push a prompt, these three dots rotate for more than 15 mins and then poof, the whole prompt just vanishes. I hate this AI, I can no longer work consistenly for more than 30 mins. Better hop on instagram reels

Recientemente he recibido una oferta para acceder al plan de AI pro de gemini, pero aún tengo esta duda de si realmente vale la pena

for me it's money problems, work stuff, health worries, and random late-night thoughts. things i'd never say out loud to my friends, but back then i'd type it all into gemini ai chat without thinking twice. total noob mistake lol

then i found out gemini's privacy page literally says some chats get read by actual human reviewers, and those can be kept for up to 3 years. they even tell you not to type anything confidential you wouldn't want a reviewer to see. kinda freaked me out ngl

these days i use dreamfort ai for the personal stuff (full disclosure i work there). it still has gemini but in private mode, and idk it just feels safer. regular gemini is still fine for everything else tho

anyway, what's yours? lol

According to people close with Google, Gemini 4 Carbon is the frontier thinking and long term reasoning model. Now, let me just be blunt and get right to the chase: If you are a pro user, you will get 1 message at most with this model. This model vacuums up tokens like there is no tomorrow. Even Ultra 20x subscribers will face less than 20 messages. Just to be completely blunt here, Argon already is unusable, the “longer and more deep thinking” and SOTA model is only going to make it worse. Which is why I reiterate: Unsubscribe from Google Gemini until they give us higher quota limits.

Ich habe da auf x gelesen dass das neue flash Modell wohl nächste Woche kommt habt ihr da irgendwelche Informationen ob das stimmt und wie das ist mit dem Verbrauch des Limits bei Pro? Weil bei 3.8 im Modus high komme ich sehr gut zurecht mit dem Limit aber sobald ich auf das Gemini 4 Argon modell Wechsel bin ich innerhalb von drei vier Nachrichten für fünf Stunden wieder auf das flash lite modell. Wäre gut wenn das Modell so effizient ist wie 3.8 und aber zumindest 50% besser im reasoning und textverständnis

sources close to the matter (a loading spinner that spun slightly faster than usual) confirm the checkpoint is imminent. leaked benchmarks show it beat the previous flash by four tenths of a point and challenged a competitor model to a knife fight in the artificial analysis parking lot. changelog reads improvements and fixes. preview access is rolling out to seven people, none of whom are you. a new variant called flash lite nano mini ships the same night to guarantee maximum confusion. pro subscribers will receive a heartfelt email about all of this and access to none of it. stay strong. we release at dawn.

We (Jio accounts) can finally upgrade our google ai plan.

I can't seem to get any of the projects I start, and it starts coding or working on, to complete or save. It happened even with the examples, like building the interactive terrarium one. I'm not near my usage limits (on Pro). Hasn't happened with any other model yet.

Is there a workaround or is it basically unusable for these?

Any Chance of getting the Restriction lifted?? What do they want to hear?? I already promised to delete all Chat Sessions an GEMs and be a good User in future. What else do they want??

We’d like to inform you that, after further review, your use of one or more Google Generative AI services was determined to be a violation of our Prohibited Use Policy and therefore your appeal is denied.   

If you believe we erred in denying your appeal, you may seek reconsideration by re-submitting an appeal following the same process. We will only reconsider our decision one time so please be sure to include any information you deem relevant.

Having used and seen actual results, there is no place in earth that where Terra is Better than Argon.

Can't even say it is benchmaxxed since it's a new method. Perhaps it just became biased to save Open AI and Anthropic IPO while that AI bubble starts to burst in China, this can not be real.

Also, Kimi K3.1 Pro can't be that much behind.